How Kpop Groups Treat Fans Will Dictate How Long Their Popularity Lasts | #suga #suchwita Moments
Make no mistake, Suga is a warm sweet thoughtful friend hiding behind a level 12 resting savage face. But if there’s anything Suchwita episode 16 to 20 proved is that his brain is so sharp and maddeningly deep sometimes it’s easy to miss what he’s saying if you aren’t really listening.
Here are 10 moments when Suga spilled sizzling hot tea in Suchwita, including how a group’s treatment of their fans can affect the longevity of their popularity
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And other personal stuff and I will be announcing other things too in the future How K-pop groups treat their fans will dictate how long their popularity will last This is not the first time Suga mentioned they will grow old with ARMYs but there was something about this one that struck a cord, at least to me.
Perhaps, it was how Suga was candidly talking about the word Army and what it means in French and in the US. In France, it actually means friends, but in America, it’s a group of soldiers It’s so cuddly and sweet in Europe but in the US, it sounds strong and intimidating Well ARMY’s both.
Suga’s recognition of the duality of BTS’ fandom and later on saying that the whole group will grow old with the fandom made me look back at the groups that have remained solid for this long and I am not just talking about K-pop groups but artists from other countries as well.
Taylor Swift, love her or hate her, has consistently responded to fans requests and addressed fans inquiries she talks about the subjects and meanings of her songs with her fans and she creates performances inspired by fan requests. She has remained within the bounds of what she knows will be acceptable to her fans,
Never too sexualized, powerful but never out of reach. She has been around 20 years and she’s not showing any signs of descent Lincoln Park has managed to maintain its fandom because it has nurtured its relationship with their fans through LP underground, their fan club regularly releasing works and messages directly to fans
By passing mainstream media outlets. There are a few more. BTS and in this show, Suga, has articulated what allows them to maintain not just their reputation but their popularity. They address the fans directly. They cater to their fans, not the general public, not the media
After all, fans are the ones that will Market them outside of the fandom their job in turn is to keep the relationship with the fandom going if they can do that then they know that the support will never go away unfortunately many artists again not just
K-pop artists but globally they are too obsessed with themselves and becoming more popular that they neglect the people who have already been supporting them In business there is what we call the parito principle, 80% of your Revenue
Will come from 20% of your current customers it may be true even in the music industry take care of your current base and they will do the marketing for you BTS is aware of their impact BTS doesn’t talk of how good they are or how humongous their impact is often
I remember J hope in the Run BTS episode where they had the T1 team he said the T1 is is the BTS of gaming the rest of the members giggled and RM told J hope that he should have let the subtitles say it for them
It was light-hearted but I was glad to hear it because we don’t hear it often we hear them talk about their hard work sometimes their struggles but most of the time it’s about the meaning and substance behind their music they are so humble
That it has to be ARMYs to tell the world of their impact it’s a pleasure to hear them talk or Express their awareness of how they have changed the global music industry Suga did that in this episode he said that after the AMA performance they suddenly felt so lost because no one has
Been able to go farther than they have come but he also said that later on they realized that the farther they go the easier it is for artists who will come after them in other words they are aware that they are paving the damn way
Nobody tells Kim Taehyung what to do we need to understand that each BTS member is in a different stage of their creative Journey Kim Taehyung made that plenty clear and people should stop comparing each BTS’ member from the other they are different people with different preferences, different strategies,
And they are all navigating their way to finding their own artistic identities Kim Taehyung can write songs we have heard many of his own lyrics and beats it was his decision to start accepting songs from other writers and his decision to work with an outside producer
It was what he felt was right for him at that time so that he can step outside of the group and find his own way get this in your head nobody tells Kim Taehyung what to do except Kim Taehyung
Great artists respect live shows. I have never heard anyone speak of concerts and shows with the same level of critical thinking as BTS that is until Kim Jongwon. In this conversation you you can see feel and hear the utmost respect they have towards themselves
Their art and Their audience it is that respect that motivates them to reinvent the Concert Experience BTS concerts form a narrative a story from beginning to end much like their music videos it’s a narrative that leaves Clues instead of spoon feeding their fans with facts they make you think
It certainly isn’t just half ass performances songs put together there’s an actual story being told not only that their tours are Global festivals with pre and post concert activities that motivate and Inspire fans
To interact not just with the band but with each other it creates a community bound not just by their love for BTS but by the common sentiments and shared experiences spoken through BTS’ music now on the other hand said that concerts are the composite of an artist’s music it has to be an elevated experience
Nel decided to transcend the sensory experience of Music extending it to the old factory appeal of attending a concert spraying cologne or scents through the air vent Nell associated a specific scent to their music
And to the experience as a trivia many believe that sense of smell is often the last to go when a person dies the proximity of the olfactory receptors to the brain and they’re close link to the emotional and memory
Centers of the brain make it last longer than our other senses and conversations like this make you realize what a difference brains sensitivity and dedication to their craft can really make in how people experience and remember music doing things to make fans happy is in out fan service has a bad reputation it shouldn’t
It’s the act of an artist doing things that fans requested or doing things fans like it has a bad rep because the things fans are asking Idols to do often have nothing to do with their music or profession when Hwang Minhyun appeared as a guest they talked about how they have come to find purpose
In making other people happy specifically their fans it is after all the the point of life to be able to grow our skill and use it to help others. Suga said that he knew he wasn’t going to use the Haegeum choreography
But decided to do it because he knows ARMYs are going to like it. Minhyun said if he could just add something special to the lives of his fans by doing what he does why not it’s time to remove the stigma of fan service
Not all acts of fan service are bad some are exactly what artists are supposed to be doing you using their talents and resources at the very least to make other people’s day better on the other hand fans should do their part they should be asking their Idols to do things that are connected to music
Skill is not the key to success one thing that stood out in the conversation of Suga and Lee Kangin is their discussion of routine Lee Kangin wakes up, he eats, he trains rest and then do everything again the next day
That figures for those of you who play sports at any level you would know the importance of muscle memory things have to be so routinary that you shouldn’t have to think about how to react to things when it happens on the court
Suga shared the same thing with your group practice was all they did and if there’s anything BTS has in common with world class athletes like Lee Kangin, it’s their routine, the routine towards excellence that’s what separates the best from the rest. the willingness to drive yourself to the ground
To work yourself to exhaustion until your craft is second nature to you because at the end of the day, there are many people out there blessed with the natural Talent OR skill but only a few become the best because only a few are willing to put in the work same experience different impact
We can all experience the same tragedy and come out on the other end in different forms and frames of mind BTS members were all in the same boat as they ascended to the top of the global music industry and they all dealt with it in different ways with such a famed extroverted personality, many thought V
Would recover the fastest instead he felt he was hit the hardest I don’t know V personally so what I’m about to say I am basing it on what they have said about themselves
and what they have shown us I do not claim to be right I believe it had more to do with his attitude towards work he seemed to have always been the one to push for experiences outside of music so when they couldn’t do anything else but work it affected him harshly
However it’s interesting that it was his efforts to plan a 3-day vacation without cameras, without music, without work that actually started the group’s recovery as many of them have attested to. His efforts to rediscover each other outside of Music reminded them why they were doing music in the first place the necessary evil in artists lives
Artistry requires freedom, perfection takes time, business requires schedule and profit requires products that’s why many artists don’t manage the business side of their career the primary interest will always be the perfection of their own art. Kim jong-wan of Nell proved that
When he said that they in initially moved out of their management to have the freedom to release their songs when they wanted to when it is perfect for them only to find out that they weren’t able to release any because they were never perfectly happy with their work causing them to delay the release of their albums
That’s when they realized they needed deadlines they needed to be pressured and that’s what management provides this brings me back to what Suga said about not wanting to be a producer a producer of a group will have to be as concerned about profit as he is about the group
And that will force him to make difficult decisions that will not always be in the side of the artist he will be hated and there won’t be anything he can do about it business is the necessary part of an artist’s life Time doesn’t really care about us
For those of you who witness the rise and peak of Shinee, you would understand how hard Taemin was criticized he was accused of being a poor singer and he was constantly compared to the other members of Shinee
Taemin thought that reaching maturity would change things for him he thought that as soon as he reached legal age, things would start to change. Suga said the same thing happened to him he thought things will magically transform
The minute he reaches maturity we all know that never happens, clock hits 12 and they were still in the same place and they were still the same person. Time doesn’t really care about people. it goes by using its own pace with complete disregard for anything that’s happening in the world
This is what happens literally every second of the day and many of us still don’t get it Taemin and Suga reminded us the time is never going to change things for us only we can change things for us and it often requires hard work a lot of sacrifice patience and some skill
Being someone’s fan is better than being someone’s hero Lee Kangin looks like a mischievous Angel but the moment he started talking about his childhood coach, the man who bet on him his number one fan you could literally see the transformation of his face
It’s the look of respect, awe and gratitude. that’s what unconditional and critical support can do to people it can give someone enough confidence to shoot for the stars it doesn’t take much to change someone’s life belief, faith and support may we all be someone’s number one fan
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In the world of Kpop, fan loyalty is key. In this video, we’ll discuss how the way Kpop groups treat their fans can impact their longevity and success in the industry. From fan interactions to fan service, we’ll dive into what makes a Kpop group stand out and keep their fans coming back for more. Tune in to find out how Kpop groups can maintain their popularity for years to come!
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Ya i totally agree with you we will be growing up with BTS 😊
Could you make a Video on Group " SEVENTEEN"
BTS AND ARMY WILL ALWAYS BE TOGETHER.
You’re always the best in analysing stuffs and for BTS
I remember seeing a clip from an Eat Jin episode where Jin was telling us why he loved being with Big Hit. He said that all other companies care about profit and money while their company care for the fans.
I won't be growing old with BTS because I'm already older than dirt, but I will stay a loyal fan.
Beautiful commentary! Thank you for the lovely insights! I love how BTS always makes us think, and I feel like you are a light that reflects off of them through different facets and helps us to see things we might have missed! ❤
I followed Suga's Suchwita and was pleasantly surprised at the conversation he had with his guests. It was interesting, light and even fun, but there was always something to take away. I play the piano but I am not a musician. I like art but i don't have deep appreciation of it. Listening to Suga, his questions to his guests and his comments made me realise that he knows a lot, he listens well and he led conversations to something substantial. And it applied not only to music of which Suga it truly a genius but also theater, film, even sports. I should say the whole season 1 of Suchwita was like a cultural yet insightful experience. I even look forward to a season 2.
👏👏👏 well said 💜💜💜🤟🇺🇸💜💜💜💜
Thanks for another insightful analysis and I agree we will grow old with BTS as fans….my sincere hope is that fans will continue to support them as they grow and change which is inevitable
Thank you for this and all of your BTS videos!
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I love that Suga has learned to love dance, and he has taken lessons and really started to et very good post surgery. Relaxed, and puts meaning into the movements, esp. isolation moves.
V is a different guy, quirky, beautiful, and stubborn. He has symptoms of only child syndrome, maybe because he was with his grandmother for so long. He's also very kind and loves his fans. He tends to bury the lead when voicing opinions or concerns and it takes a while to really understand what he's getting at. ARMY is close to AMI- friend in french, and both have very different pronunciation. Just FYI.
Suga was trying to tell army Jimin was going to do Tony Montanna and sing Like Crazy . When he mentioned it, Jimin looked at staff with his, " OOPS", face, LOL. The same face when RM would slip with spoilers.
I agree. The humility and the relationship with fans is the key. Yoongi is so smart, wise and such a perfect talk show host. He can literally do anything. I love to continue to see them grow as individual artists and as a group. 💜💜💜
I'm 64 and I never had the chance to see Beatles live. Only on TV. So what? I although never seen BTS live. But…😊
Agreed 👍 👍
When it was announced that Suga would be hosting a talk show on YouTube, I initially thought… "How is this going to work?" As a newer ARMY, what I had observed about Suga was that he was an introvert who loved being alone creating music, he wasn't the life of the party & he spoke very bluntly. At that time, I wasn't aware of his earlier BTS radio shows or that he was often one of the game show hosts of Run BTS episodes. Suga had broadcast experience. And I also quickly discovered, in just those first few episodes, that his natural curiosity, thoughtfulness, ability to connect one-on-one & easygoing nature made Suga & Suchwita a perfect match. It's been a delight to see him use his talents in this manner. I miss the show already & I'm looking forward to another season.
I've been thinking for a while that while ARMY always talks about BTS's duality, no one really talks much about ARMY's duality. But it's kinda inevitable; when you follow a bunch of guys who show as much duality as BTS does, you have to expect the same from the fans. BTS are superstars, and they're regular relatable guys. ARMY knows them well in both versions and responds to them in both. Being ARMY is as much about screaming enthusiasm for a once-in-a-lifetime superstar as it is about quiet sympathy, curiosity and concern for, or gentle teasing of a dear friend.
And that's what 'everyone else' doesn't get. That's the connection, the bond that can't be duplicated.
Thank you for this vid! 🥰💜😌
Suchwita is such a treasure trove
Oh wow… great episode. I watched with interest and a smile until the end when you said may everyone have a number one fan… and POW the tears started and are making it hard to see to type. 😪 😂
Don't worry. It's not a bad thing. It's more of a… "THAT… YES… THAT IS IT! SOMEONE GETS IT!" My husband was my #1 fan. He cheered and supported everything I did or tried to do. He died at only 52.
My mom was Fan #2 only because she wasn't always supportive and more critical… but still she was a fan. She died not long before my husband. My dad… Fan #3… died just a couple of years after my husband. My best childhood friend, Fan #4 unexpectedly died a few years after that.
I have 3 kids, all now young adults. I also have a lot of former students who keep in touch. But I'm their fan. They are supportive, but it's not the same. When my husband passed, I kept going because I had kids and responsibilities… but the thrill of succeeding at any of it was just gone without my top fans.
I credit BTS and their music for helping ME climb out of that hole somewhat. I had to become my own Fan. And it's also nice identifying as ARMY because I know that there's some guys in Korea that don't know me personally but cheer us on anyway. 💜
What BTS created with ARMY is so unique psychologically for them and for us. I've been part of another Fandom for a big country star. He's a wonderful person who also cares about his fans and even though I've met me more than once… helped with fan events… been an online moderator for him. It's not the same as ARMY. Perhaps you can explain it better as it seems to be your talent.
But with ARMY it's as if they personified us into a singular entity in a way. Each of us distinct but part of a whole… like the cells in a body. So that when they talk to ARMY… sing to ARMY… do things for … It feels very personal.
I think this was also for their benefit as well. I'm sure that dealing with the idea of millions of fans is very daunting. RM has said as much in that dealing with so much love can be a heavy thing at times. I think unifying us into ARMY helps with that a little.
Thinking about what "ARMY" would feel about something is a little easier than trying to cope with what millions feel about it. They know we are vast and many, but they treat as a close friend that they can cheer for as well.
Anyway… thanks for the tears. They were worth it.
I so love the deep dive that your research produces when relating points of reference from various artists and Suga's interactions. You know how to pull out the meat of each situation/episode and highlight how it would apply to either the guest or to Suga's and BTSs journey. The other part O like of your analysis, is how we as fans, should pay closer attention to the way BTS caters to Army. Thank you so much 💓
Thank you for this great analysis. <3 I especially love the part about putting in the work is what sets them apart. I do disagree a little with that time doesn't change you, because I think it does; we often need time to calm down, time to process emotions, especially things like loss and grief, before we can actually reflect. People tend to think that reflection alone and the actions that follow it are the 'real change', but the truth is we are always changing. Living life itself changes us. It's just that you won't be a different person overnight.
I so enjoy your commentary and insights. Your videos about Suga’s Suchwita have added more dimension as I have gone back and rewatched them – thank you! 💜
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Appreciate wisdom from so many episodes
Nobody puts Tae in the corner!!!! lol you got that right!!!!! Love your content! You tell it like it is!
Maybe you can help me understand something. Army was formed from BTS as a whole ( music) but you have stans that hate on other members. But I don't understand why would you destroy what brought you to this place and the person you love, loves. Will there always be units in the Fandom that hate each other that much?
I love Bts yes I have my fav but I know what got me here
Great video and reaction to our Suga. We agree with you.
Unique complex personality. Cold/distant; while caring, loving and wants to help and sustain others in his future humanitarian goals.
SUGA – Remember that you are loved and respected and your talents are legendary.
Love your video, Could you please
do video about review about your
thoughts about Stan who only Stan
one member in BTS group who always tried to pinned one BTS member against another BTS member in a competition for example,
I was on Twitter support my 7 Guys
BTS for their hard work, and their was a post about V in one post that Congratulations Him about
his song FRI(END)S will hit Billboards Hot 100 charts at #50
now being at #50 list is not bad on
top charts Hot 100 however some of us Army's like myself thinks the
lists of Fri(end)s should go going
like top list #15 a lease but that just me,
So, After I have post that good comment about V along wiith my fellow Friends Army's about how proud we are for Him, we got this
1 or 2 posts comments who's pretend to be Army, but really a toxic JK Stan or Jimin Stan or both telling us Army's that V can't beat
Jungkook nor Jimin who been at
Billboards Hot 100 top 10 at #1
telling us Army's that both Jimin
and JK beats V down so badly because their numbers streams views go so more higher than V of their singles and solo albums right,
So, I find it kinda strange and funny
out no where, how they bully V so much all suddenly, because their favorite 2 BTS members JK & Jimin members got the highest numbers streams sales over V in records sales,
But here's thang JK & Jimin have
their singles and album out way
before V time release his solo album Layover and Single songs so Oh course! they going to have more streams sales numbers than Him, Plus both Jimin & JK was both was produce by America Producers and both has promote their albums in America, where V did not promote his album Layover in America but only in Korea and Japan only, and still His album has reach number 2 or 3 on top Global 200 Billboards charts in USA, UK and Japan over 80 Countries, His song FRI(END)S has been number #1 on USA iTunes and UK to, that's hits over 70 or 80 different Countries and now his song FRI(END)S is going on Billboards Hot 100 charts at #50 which is not bad actually, it's fact very good consider never promote His Single FRI(END)S In America but than again He is In military serving so but still not bad at all, but in my opinion I still the song FRI(END)S deserves to go higher and I'm not only one who thinks so,
But yea! Please do review video
about these toxic Stans who trying
to pinn a riff of their favor BTS
member against another BTS member in competition and it's
not right, so please tells us your thoughts on this nonsense,
We Army's are tired and sick of these toxic Stans behavior and
who keep on pinn their favorite
BTS member against another BTS member when they all are in the same BTS group it just so dumb to me, and I'm not only one who thinks about this neither, we Army's are not going to stand for it,
And, each 7 Bts members said multiple times during their live chat Weverse or on Suchwita that they love Army's not toxic Stans who's only favor one member, no where in video on Weverse or Live stage concert that JK nor Jimin said they love Stans, Nope they said they love or adore Army's nobody else they writes songs for us Army's not Stans, and all BTS members especially Jungkook always said they miss us Army's that they love us Army's not toxic Stans who only favor one BTS member and hate rest.
Thank you for your video reviews
Update and thoughts opinions about our 7 Guys BTS, can't wait
for their return back home next year 2025, Can't wait for Jin & HOBi coming back home this year
2024, Jin will have his solo out to
In July or August 2024 out soon,
and He will be home in June just
two months and half away, and
HOBi will be discharged in October
2024 to, to do more music and
His new mini solo album on
March 28 a long with his new film
documentary (HOPE On The Street) can't wait peace.. ✌💜🥰
Which scent do BTS use in their concerts?