【ミニマリスト】エリサさんに聞く人生を整える『終活の始め方』

【ミニマリスト】エリサさんに聞く人生を整える『終活の始め方』

Originally, I was not good at cleaning and always lived in a messy room. When I lived abroad for a month, I brought a deck of cards and lived with only the clothes, shoes, and daily necessities that fit inside it, and that period was incredibly easy. For me, white is the ultimate color, and in the process of pursuing minimalism, there is a part that arrives at the idea of the whole brain, and my grandmother was also found a little bit, so can you tell me a little about job hunting in the first place? Oh , yes. I think the earlier you start, the better, and it seems that one in four people in their 20s have already started job hunting. This is a tabbook that explains how to use it, how to use those hand stickers, and how you never know when the worst will come for you, no matter what age you are, and [Music] If you become a minimalist, the other half of the pre-organization is done. If you prepare for the end, your time in life will shine even more. Hello everyone. This is Rito. So, this time, we have Lisa-san, who I’ve been wanting to meet, and who I’ve seen , here. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. So, speaking of Elisa-san, she’s one of the minimalists I’ve been watching for about six or seven years now, and I think the impression that white rooms are associated with minimalism has been pretty well established, but I think she’s probably the number one person in charge of that, so thank you very much. It’s an honor. Thank you very much. So, today, I’d like to ask Elisa-san about the appeal of white rooms , and also about the job hunting that she’s been talking about recently, and what led her to minimalism, and so on, so I’d like to interview her about those points . Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Yes. I’m looking forward to it. Thank you very much. So, first of all, before the interview, I’d like to briefly introduce myself. I think most people probably know me, but can I introduce myself? Yes. Yes. I’ve been broadcasting as a minimalist for about 13 years. Until now, I ‘ve been broadcasting about various lifestyles, letting go, and minimalist lifestyles through the audio distribution media called Voicey, and recently, the genre I’ve been particularly interested in is job hunting. This is the final activity, job hunting. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Yes. I’ve been a minimalist for 13 years now. Before I knew it, so much time had passed in the blink of an eye. That’s amazing. I also learned about the minimalist lifestyle through Shibu’s YouTube channel, well, I first saw it about 6 or 7 years ago, in a video called Liza’s Room Tour , and there’s probably a 6-year age difference between him and me. He was probably 24 years old at the time, and I’m 24 now, so it’s great that we’re both playing the role of Ellis at the same time . I’m visiting you at the timing of Koei. That’s right. Yes. I think when I first met Shibu-san, I was about the same age as Kuto-san. I think I was about the same age, so I feel like my voice sounds really strange. Yes. I wonder if E-san’s room is pretty nice now. The ornament that I felt today is really white and really nice, so I guess you’ve been able to remove the layers of your brain quite a bit recently. That’s right . In the pursuit of minimalism, I ended up arriving at the idea of ​​all, and I didn’t think about incorporating all myself, but when I thought that what I wanted to achieve and the previous idea overlapped very much, I naturally started to think about learning a little about . I see, I see. I’ve been going to Kyoto quite a bit recently and I really love it, so I hope I can hear a lot from you today. Yes. So, I have a few questions for you, Elis, so I’d like you to answer them. First of all, I’d like to know what made you become a minimalist. What made you become a minimalist? Well, I was never good at tidying up , and I always lived in a messy room. Yes. That started when I was a child, and I always thought I was bad at tidying up, and no matter how much I tidied up, it would always get messy again. I hated it so much, but I couldn’t solve it, and when I realized it, it was still going on even in my 20s, and that’s when I first thought about a simple life. I thought that if I could make my room this neat, I might be able to live, so I reduced the amount of stuff a little, but it was still only half the amount of stuff that people usually have, and I still couldn’t get out of the state of not being able to tidy up. So, I once studied abroad for a short period of time, which was only a short month, and I lived there for a month with just one deck of cards, and only the clothes, shoes, and daily necessities that fit in it , and it was a very comfortable time. I lived with very few things for a month, and it was very easy to clean up, and since there were few things to manage, it didn’t get messy at all. I wondered if I could live with this amount of stuff, and I thought maybe I could reduce it drastically. I’m not living with one truck now, but I was able to live with one truck, so I thought I didn’t need a lot of the things in my room now, and I probably got rid of about 90% of them. Wow, that’s amazing. Well, I think you said that you started minimalism 13 years ago, but was the word minimalist recognized even when you were studying abroad at that time? At first, I only knew the word simple life , and I was running a blog called Wizard’s Simple Life, but when I was searching for what kind of lifestyle suited me, which was even more advanced than the simple life of living with only one suitcase, I came across the word minimalism. I’m not sure why I first heard about it. I can’t remember exactly , but I thought I’d try a life with even less, which was one step further than the simple life, and as a result, I gradually reduced my possessions , and now I’ve kept my room this tidy for 13 years, even though I was so bad at tidying up and always ended up with a messy room. It hasn’t been messy even once. But if you ask me if I was originally the type to tidy up, no, in fact, I was quite fond of Disney’s Toy Story when I was in junior high school. Do you know it ? Oh, I understand. I love it so much . Wow . In fact, in the future, he has a desire to fill the whole house with Toy Story goods, so if anything, he’s tidying up, well, it’s not that it’s completely scattered, but he has quite a habit of collecting. Yes. Well, he’s quite a boy, so I think he has a tendency to be a collector, and I thought that even for someone like him, it would be really unfair to be able to maintain a space that is so clean and minimalist, so [Music] Yes. There’s a bit in common . I saw it. In a way, there’s also a part like a white collector. So, you know, minimalists tend to think that they can’t have anything if they don’t collect things, but I think that being particular about the things you like is also a minimalist trait, so in that sense, I thought that Rikuto’s desire to want something was properly inherited from his childhood when he moved from Toy Story to simply white things [Music] . It’s true that even now, he may fundamentally have a tendency to be a collector. You’re particular about each and every thing, and I think that’s great. One more question: when was the time when you felt happy even without material possessions? It was when you strongly felt the value of more than just maybe. It was the same when I studied abroad, but I gradually reduced the amount of stuff in my room, and the room became empty. [Music] [Music] Oh. Generally speaking, it’s a stark, empty room, but for me, it felt like a space was created. That there was space. Space was born. Yes, that’s right. I can move freely. In a messy room, for example, if I try to stretch, I hit my feet, and when I try to do radio exercises, I end up bumping into something, but when I felt that I had the space to stretch my body and move around as much as I could, I think I felt like I had gained something other than material things. So, as a minimalist, I often get told that I don’t have many things or that I don’t have something, but that’s true. Right now, I feel like I have a lot of things that aren’t material things. I see. It’s true that I did have that feeling fundamentally, but it wasn’t something that I felt on a regular basis, so as expected of you, yes. Ah, I thought that was a good thing to say. Ah, thank you. So, next, my second question is, when it comes to Elisaton, even though she looks like this, she has always been a pure white minimalist, but what was the reason that you focused on this pure white room? Well, it was a big part that I realized it, but for me, white is the ultimate color, and when you combine everything, it becomes white. [Music] Well, when you combine all three primary colors of light , it becomes white. So, it seems like a color that is not quite white, but for me, it feels like a color that has everything, and when I became a minimalist, I wondered which one I would choose if I had to choose just one color. After all, when choosing things, and when choosing a room, it’s necessary to choose a color that is highly versatile in order to live with fewer things, and at that time, the color that I finally decided on was white . Wow. Wow. So, I think that maybe my innermost psychology also influenced me, for example, I was in a period where I felt like I wanted to start a new life, like the beginning of something, sincerity, and such psychological state, so I think that white was chosen as a manifestation of that, but for me, it’s the ultimate color. [Music] I see. When did you start living in such a pure white room? When I first started reducing my possessions, I still had a lot of different colors, and I gradually narrowed it down and minimized the number of things I had. [Music] Then, from there, it became a task of replacing these most important things, and as a result of replacing them with things that I like more, things that I can understand, and things that I feel comfortable with, there were a lot of things that I thought were good in white, and before I knew it, everything had changed. So, I think that maybe it was after I moved to this room with white floors that people like me saw my transmissions, but I have the feeling that the gradation gradually changed to white. I see. I see. Even now, including those who are minimalists, people who are not minimalists also long for a white room. Ah. Yes. Yes. Speaking of white rooms, I often see minimalists talking about it in my comments section, so for me, the origin of this is Ellis. Wow, like this. Yes. I was really happy to hear from the first person about the appeal of a white room. Also, I wonder if there are advantages and disadvantages unique to this white space, but can I ask what the advantages of a white room are? Yes . Yes. I think white is the color that reflects light the most, but that’s why Hokkaido has such a short daylight hours. There are few hours of daylight and it’s winter for half the year. That’s right. Indeed. It’s true that I usually live in Fukuoka, so it’s probably completely different. What do you mean? That’s right. Yes. Yes. During the half year of winter, when there are many cloudy days and the sun doesn’t shine, I feel depressed. It’s often said that if you don’t get enough sunlight, you’re more likely to feel depressed . I think white is a color that complements your eyes, and the white floor, white walls, and white curtains reflect the little light in the room, and I think that has a big impact on your mental state. I think that’s the effect of white. Yes . That’s right. But the room isn’t just pure white, it reflects the light properly . That effect makes the room even brighter and makes the whole room look larger, and I noticed that when I saw your message . Yes. Yes. I thought that made sense. On the other hand, living in a white house, I felt that it was a bit difficult, or that there were some parts that seemed like disadvantages. Ah, there is. I’m sure Victor mentioned it in his fashion talk, but didn’t he say that white is easy to see dirt on? Like curry or spaghetti pasta splashing. Yes. In the same way, I think white is also a color that makes dirt very easy to see in the room. When I think about it, there are some aspects where I think white is inconvenient. For example, this character here has a pattern on it, but if it’s pure white, even a little dust will stand out, and if there’s a pattern, it will be less noticeable. Also, if it’s all pure white, I have really bad eyesight, and when it gets dark at night, it’s hard to see if the borders are white and white. So , there are some aspects where I think white alone is inconvenient . So at first I wanted to make everything white, but now I’m deliberately making the table I’m sitting on a bit beige-ish greige, and I made the window myself, but I put black in the frame of the window , too. Ah, I see. I put black lines here and there, so by combining white and black lines, I compensate for the aspects where white is inconvenient, and I’ve eliminated the inconvenience while still leaving the impression that it’s white. Ah, I see. I do think that if everything is completely white, it’s a bit dazzling or a bit stimulating, but when I came to this space at S, I thought that it was a little amateurish contrast, but I thought that it was well used, so I thought that if we incorporated that kind of thing properly, it would be a really nice space. Also, it’s not just pure white, but I think it’s a little change, or you could learn a lot by using contrasts properly to create a space like this. Ah , I’m happy. I think that Rikuto, who is particular about white, noticed that, and I love it, so I’m confident that I can talk about white forever. Yes. Also, I think that it’s quite a white room and it gets dirty easily, but if I were to replace that disadvantage with an advantage, it would be because it gets dirty easily that I want to clean it right away. Ah, that’s true. Yes. Yes. I thought that the part is really low, and that kind of thing is both a disadvantage and an advantage. Yes. Ah, I think so too. Yes. With a white floor, even a single hair on the floor can be a big deal, so it’s tough. That’s one way of looking at it, but yes. That’s why I started picking it up right away, and as a result, I’ve been able to live my life by cleaning up before it gets dirty. I also really wanted to convey that, although it may sound like I’m giving up, the disadvantages are also advantages, so yes. I empathize. Yes. That’s good. So, the third question, which is something I really wanted to ask about today, is about job hunting. I’m in my 20s now, I just turned 24, and my grandmother has recently been found dead, and I don’t have many relatives, so I haven’t really had much time to think about the last moments of a human being. So, recently I’ve been spending a lot more time on this topic of job hunting, and Elisa herself has been talking a lot about job hunting, so I thought I’d learn a bit more about it too, and I’d like to ask a few questions related to my studies. [Music] Can you tell me a bit about what job hunting is in the first place? Ah, yes. Job hunting is the act of ending, it’s when the end of your life comes and goes. It’s an activity to prepare for that ending, to organize your life in advance, and to leave behind any words or messages you want to leave for your family, and other necessary information. However, as I’m currently working on it, I think that if you prepare for the end, your time alive will shine even more, and that’s why originally, when it comes to job hunting, it was thought of as something that people in their 80s and 90s, who are really close to finishing their years, undertake , but I think the earlier you start, the better, and I think that’s exactly what Rikuto-san is doing. The earlier you start in your 20s, the more you can write down your notes. Yes. As you get older, you may develop dementia, or it may become difficult to write down your past, or you may not be able to remember what you should write. Even pre-war organizing requires a lot of physical strength in many ways, so if you want to clean up your room when you reach that age, it would require a lot of physical strength and be difficult, right? That’s right . When I think about it like that , I think it would be ideal to go early, live a life that suits you, and then constantly update your end-of-life note. I see. Indeed, when I’m editing videos for that kind of thing, I often see people who start getting rid of things as a way to reduce their possessions, or as a way to start job hunting early, and I think there’s a strong image that job hunting is something that you do later in life, but recently, there are quite a lot of people in their 20s who have started job hunting , and I recently found an article in the Mainichi Shimbun that said that one in four people in their 20s has already started job hunting. Yes. For example, in the article, it said that there are more and more people in their 20s who think that funerals are no longer necessary for about 60% of people, and in that context, I thought that the values of how people face their final moments change with each generation, so I thought it would be good to hear a little bit about that, including that. But Mr. Haie, could you tell us what prompted you to become a supervisor in job hunting in the first place, and what prompted you to start thinking about it? Yes. Yes. In Mr. Lift’s talk earlier, you mentioned that your grandmother had passed away, but I was very close to my mother, and there was a time when she started to vote because of cancer. Then, I had to think about my mother’s final days, but it was quite difficult to think about my mother, and it was very difficult to imagine the time when my precious family member died, and when that happened, I unconsciously thought that it would be easier to think about it as something about myself. Looking back, I realize that this was the case, but I started job hunting thinking it was for myself, and I ordered about 50 different types of end-of-life notes, and went to see funeral halls. I learned what job hunting was like, and eventually I compiled my own information in an end-of-life note, and I got to understand my mother to a certain extent, and I was there when she passed away. I became interested in this experience, and the other thing is that as a minimalist, I was working on various things, and the word “pre-death organization” came up as an extension of tidying up, and as I traced the process of pre-death organization, I ended up looking for a job, and I think that maybe it’s a place that minimalists naturally end up in. Job hunting. [Music] Yes. That’s true. Recently, Ellis has been talking a lot, and the words that made the biggest impression on me were, “If you become a minimalist, you’re already half way through pre-death organization.” That’s what you said in the video with Sou. Yes. Yes. No, I really think that’s true, and when it comes to my grandparents’ table, even if they want to tidy up, it’s quite difficult physically, and there are many people who end up with a lot of things still in their hands, so I think that if we live a truly minimalist lifestyle like us, the hurdles of job hunting will be much lower, so I really sympathized with that. Yes . Ah, thank you. As Rikuto said, I also thought that I had almost finished sorting out my life before I started job hunting, and when I look at other people, minimalists don’t really need it. That material sorting out is the end result of sorting out your life before you die, because you’re already living with only what you need now, so minimalists have already done this much of the sorting out of their job hunting. So it’s like they’ve finished the very important sorting out before you die, so I think people like Rikuto, or people around him who live with a rhythm, will find it very easy to get into job hunting. Yes. I think it’s easy to incorporate. Yes. Right. Next, this Ending Notebook. Is this the Ending Notebook guidebook supervised by Elisa? Ah, yes. It’s a set of stickers and guidebook for the Ending Notebook that I, Rena and Hirotan made together. Oh. Can you tell me what exactly is included in this Ending Notebook? Ah, yes. The basic information is your hometown, address, your favorite hospital, and your life expectancy. It’s also something to leave behind in case of an emergency, such as when you can’t communicate, or when you lose consciousness, to protect your life. [Music] [Music] It can also be used as a continuation when you die, and you can also keep important messages, messages you want to leave behind, necessary passwords, and where to put your supplies, so in a sense it’s like a notebook that contains all the necessary information for your life. Now, how am I using this notebook? Of course, I’m still alive, so if you ask me if I don’t need it yet, it’s not that surprising, and it can also be used as a beauty tool. Ah, it’s beautiful violence. Can I take a look at this for a bit? Of course. Yes. This is the tab, and it has instructions on how to use it, how to use the various stickers, and each item, for example, on the page that says “Request for cancellation,” it tells you what to write using the stickers. [Music] Here are stickers, and for example, these are stickers for important people, people you want to contact, and you can write the contact information of important people on them, and you can create an ending note by sticking them on a notebook of your choice. Other things include things like your body, surgery, medical history, family doctor, etc., and it’s surprisingly difficult to keep track of these things on your own. That’s right. Also, when you’re on the contract list, there’s a contract list where you can write things like you can cancel here, or you want to log in with this password, and by using these stickers, you can turn your favorite notebook into an ending note. [Music] Indeed. My grandmother got a little sick recently, and I don’t know about the bankbook or anything else. Where are all those documents that only I know? Right. I think it starts from there, so I think it’s really necessary to keep this kind of information, including that, and I think it’s better to do it early, regardless of age, whether you’re in your 20s like me, or in your 30s or 40s. That’s right. You’re right, it’s really hard to write something like this after you get sick, isn’t it? I think it’s really hard to tell your family where your bankbook is when you’re in pain, even if it’s just to replenish your supplies, and it’s really hard to do it after something happens, so it’s reassuring to be prepared so that you’ll be okay, and if you lose weight, you can concentrate on your treatment, and you don’t have to use up extra energy on this, so I think it’s really useful to start early . I understand. My grandmother is like that now, but her language skills have deteriorated a little, and I think that she probably can’t make proper decisions, so it probably doesn’t work well. I think that even before they get sick, when they get older, like grandparents, they often develop dementia and become forgetful, so I felt that it’s very important to keep records like this before they get that way. Oh , thank you. I think Rikuto has already done a lot of cleaning and tidying up his room, but I think that once he gets to that point, it would be very useful to start organizing the information, and I always hear about the ending note as the ending, so you might think that you’re still young and you still have a long way to go, but no matter what age you are, you never know when the worst will come, and oh , that’s right. Yes. And it’s also connected to something that will save your life if something happens while you’re alive, so in that sense I think it would be good for many people to do it, and I think it would be good to use it as a beautiful violence. [Music] You never know what’s going to happen in life. Just yesterday there was an accident in a foreign country where an airplane was delayed. I’m also on that plane to Hokkaido today, so I think that no matter what age you are, you never know what’s going to happen, and I think that it’s really important to keep a record of things like this at times like these. It’s amazing. The design is really minimalist, and I’m happy about that . Yes. It’s a design that minimalists like. Yes. Yes. Yes. The design of this guidebook is something that I would be happy to just have in my room, and I think that the general image of an ending note is that it’s for regular people, but this is a little bit of a secret notebook, and since it’s a guidebook that Yu-san really supervised, it has a beautiful and simple design that is really well thought out. Ah, I’m happy. Yes. It doesn’t say Ending Note on the box. It says That Day or Style Note Guide, and the reason is that people who buy it themselves are convinced by the name Ending Note and buy it, but there are also people who want to give it as a present to their parents, and there are also people who say that it’s difficult to give an Ending Note to them in those situations. But this one is for putting together important information. Of course, it also contains information about nursing care, funerals, and weekend medical care, but in the first half, you can write about basic information and history, which is a history of your life, and about what you like and dislike, so you can enjoy writing about your life and leave it here and tell your children or grandchildren, for example. If you write [Music] , for example, if the person needs nursing care, even if it becomes difficult, the family can look at this and say, “Grandma liked this , so let’s display this in her room,” and it becomes a communication notebook that can respond to your feelings, so it’s easy to give, and you can give it without telling them that it’s an end-of- life note, and I made it with a little attention to the sense that it will make the life of the person and their family more hidden . I see. It’s true that the design is very stylish, but the moment you hand it over as an end-of-life note, it won’t be perceived as if your life is over. So if you write it like this, it will show them, “Oh, there’s something like this.” I thought it would be a good idea to remember it, so thank you. Yes. I’d like to try this out right away. I’m happy. Please try it. I’m glad that the design doesn’t look out of place even if you have it. That’s good. Well, this is a guidebook supervised by Mr. N. I think I’ll put a link to buy it in the description section below. Please check it out. That’s right. I haven’t really thought about job hunting at all for the past year or two, and the word “intensive job hunting” didn’t really resonate in my head in many areas, so it was a great time to hear a lot about job hunting from Mr. Ellis this time. Oh, thank you. Yes. So, finally, do you have any message for the viewers from Mr. Ellis? Yes. Those who have seen my YouTube before, I think that Rikuto-san has seen my YouTube, but recently I stopped updating YouTube, and instead I’m talking almost every day on a voice distribution media called Utsuishii, so if you’re interested, I’d be happy if you could listen to the new one. [Music] Please do. I think that minimalists and voice radio broadcasts are a great match, and I think it’s really good to do something like cleaning up or doing something, and S-san is a really good speaker. Please check out the radio, Eris-san’s voice, which I’ll post in the description section below. So, this time, I spoke to S-san, who is a member of Mimaris, whom I respect very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. [Music]

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00:00 ハイライト
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02:00 自己紹介
04:28 Q.ミニマリストになったきっかけは？
09:50 Q.白いお部屋に魅力を感じた理由は？
12:23 Q.白いお部屋のメリットは？
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16:57 終活について
17:48 Q.終活とは？
20:26 Q.終活に関心を持ったきっかけは？
23:22 エリサさんが監修したエンディングノートガイドブック
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